Comments on: Daily Journal Entry #11827 05/17/08 Sat http://www.jasoncromero.com/blog/2008/06/12/daily-journal-entry-11827-051708-sat/ Sat, 27 Feb 2010 23:17:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Jason C. Romero http://www.jasoncromero.com/blog/2008/06/12/daily-journal-entry-11827-051708-sat/comment-page-1/#comment-1813 Jason C. Romero Sun, 14 Jun 2009 01:39:44 +0000 http://www.jasoncromero.com/blog/?p=34#comment-1813 I get that. The problem is that, like the NPR story said, it seems to cast the net too widely. If consent to sex is consent to sex with a particular person, then that would make anonymous sex rape as well. There has to be a way to consent to sex without knowing the identity of the individual. I also don't think that someone lying about who they are should turn sex into rape.<br><br>I agree that the Revenge of the Nerds scene is rape. It's just difficult to articulate it in a clear manner that doesn't include other situations that don't fit. "Consent to sex, with a particular individual" helps a little bit, but is still somewhat incomplete, I think. I get that. The problem is that, like the NPR story said, it seems to cast the net too widely. If consent to sex is consent to sex with a particular person, then that would make anonymous sex rape as well. There has to be a way to consent to sex without knowing the identity of the individual. I also don't think that someone lying about who they are should turn sex into rape.

I agree that the Revenge of the Nerds scene is rape. It's just difficult to articulate it in a clear manner that doesn't include other situations that don't fit. “Consent to sex, with a particular individual” helps a little bit, but is still somewhat incomplete, I think.

]]> By: LLS http://www.jasoncromero.com/blog/2008/06/12/daily-journal-entry-11827-051708-sat/comment-page-1/#comment-1812 LLS Sun, 14 Jun 2009 01:20:33 +0000 http://www.jasoncromero.com/blog/?p=34#comment-1812 To clarify why the Revenge of the Nerds scene is rape:<br><br>Rape is not sex by force, it is sex without consent. And, "consent to sex" is an incomplete notion. It should more accurately be stated "consent to sex, with a particular individual."<br><br>Think of it this way - if you were engaged in sex with your partner, and a stranger burst into the room and raped you before you could get disengaged from your partner, how would you feel about the rapist's defense lawyer saying, "well, you were consenting to sex in that very moment, so all's fair." Your reply would be, "No, I was not consenting to sex in general in that moment. I was consenting to sex with my partner only."<br><br>In other words, going back to the movie, the very act of the nerd character putting on the mask to conceal his identity shows he knew he did not have her consent to sex with him. That is rape. Consent is more than the consent to just the act, it's also consenting to who that act is with. To clarify why the Revenge of the Nerds scene is rape:

Rape is not sex by force, it is sex without consent. And, “consent to sex” is an incomplete notion. It should more accurately be stated “consent to sex, with a particular individual.”

Think of it this way – if you were engaged in sex with your partner, and a stranger burst into the room and raped you before you could get disengaged from your partner, how would you feel about the rapist's defense lawyer saying, “well, you were consenting to sex in that very moment, so all's fair.” Your reply would be, “No, I was not consenting to sex in general in that moment. I was consenting to sex with my partner only.”

In other words, going back to the movie, the very act of the nerd character putting on the mask to conceal his identity shows he knew he did not have her consent to sex with him. That is rape. Consent is more than the consent to just the act, it's also consenting to who that act is with.

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